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Master Toker
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Alright, I am probably going to piss off a few of you but read on and then read again. The only thing that is going to get the attention of those that would judge and jail us is violence!! No I don't condone it, but it is the one vehicle that get's attention isn't it! I have watched and listened to people bitch and complain about everything from pot prohibition to global warming for thirty year's and the song remain's the same.No one is willing to give up their dis-illusioned existance to actually take a poke at those who take our freedom's and libertie's!! Shaking your fist and crying about it dosen't get squat! A poke in the eye or a kick in the ass will get more done than all the protest's and rallie's will. Prop. 215 in Cali. is a joke when the Fed. Gov. can still come and take everything you have worked so hard for. Yeah, more people are getting the medicine they need, but it's meager compared to the cost's!! Chipping away at the rock of resistance by so few, is futile. No great change's are going to come about unless the masses are willing and ready to say "ENOUGH"!! Get out of your comfort zone and fight for your right's as free people should, or go lay with the rest of the sheep and shut up!!
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Intergalactic Toker!
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Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 225
Location: Colorado

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree that people should stand up for their rights, but disagree that it brings about social change any faster or to result a better resolution. Events such as the Kent state shootings and Rodney King Riots, may have made a greater impact initially and acquired more attention, but it is the ones who stand-up without the use of violence that progress society in a more benefitial and eternal way, Martin Luther King Jr. with the civil rights movement is a perfect example of this, the lasting impression of his fight for equality with persuasive rhetor instead of blatant violence will always supercede, in my mind, any riot or violent breakout. In social change the means must always justify the ends otherwise it is a contorted and hypocritical image that is being presented.

"A government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims."
--Ayn Rand
(just had to throw it in because its such a good quote and it sort of fits the topic.)

The governments power should be limited and we should have the right to alter the state to meet societies needs, however these needs are still ambiguous and dynamic and take time, with Prop. 215, it is a gradual social shift to meet the public's needs, it doesn't do much, but it is slowly changing the mind sets of the American People and displaying how this substance affects many many people and that it should be permanently decriminalized, it does something and by continuing to stay in the media it is making a lasting impression, I have little doubt that one day it will be legalized again, only the people can dictate when, so in that respect like Papabear said, Stand Up, but it doesn't and I don't think it should be by violent means.

And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming. And the lamplight o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor; And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted nevermore! -Edgar Alan Poe The Raven
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

dude i agree the riots in LA didnt solve shit neither did the riots in Paris a few yrs ago, and theres still bullying after the columbine shootings and and the iraq war wages on eventhoughhundreds of ppl have died from suicide bombings

i think protests fail cuz they get lost and noone cares. i mean ppl have to be giving up some meaningful shit in a protest before they get attentioni mean it only worked for ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. cuz they were protesting something that wasnt a life choice. i mean ur born black and everyone around u that isnt blind can see that ur black so when Martin Luther King Jr. gave his speeches and shit all blacks everywhere could rise up with him cuz they had nothing to lose. cuz when u think about it is the CEO or a succesful lawyer gonna risk bein seen at Seattle hempfest or somethin cuz weed aint widely accepted enough yet that it can become a universal thing so we need the Prop 215's cuz they slowly but surely pave the way for a civil rights movement type event.

but those r just my thoughts im no fuckin political or social scientist or nothin

i like air, i just prefer it to be filtered through burning weed
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I think using violence would be the demise of the counter-culture. This country has a no tolerance policy with terrorists, and anyone who disagrees with them is a terrorist. So, if we used violence, think of the force the US military would use to rid the violence.
I honestly believe that the reason marijuana has not been legalized is because many of the users are immature, and the smokers who are mature and responsible really cant put a red flag out about them being smokers, because of jobs, families, etc. If you read even this forum, the majority of posters are under 18, which is sad because its sometimes hard not to agree with the anti-ads when you see what some people say and think on most pot forums.
I think what needs to change is the very basis of pot smoking; the reason for smoking. Too many kids start smoking just because friends do it and in doing so they really aren't "trained" in the art of marijuana, so to speak. In the 60's marijuana was used as a spiritual aide, and for fun, but spirituality was usually the focus. Well, with spirituality comes unity, thats why we saw hippy communities and the only reason most of them failed is because the government made it impossible to continue by charging taxes or finding marijuana plants, etc.
I really think to make a significant change, we have to get back to basics on the counter culture, and really unify; and not be "stupid smokers". Thats another reason this forum is so awesome because it is like an online hippy commune, lol.
Intergalactic Toker!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

idk i think the entire government is corrupt and we should do what our forefathers said to and take up arms to redo our current government so it is no longer corrupt (whole entire reason for the 2nd amendment, so that we have arms if the government becomes an oppressive corrupt thing). no side is good, democrats, republicans, hell even independents. they all only want whats best for them and to shift blame for things to the other group. no one does whats best for the common man anymore. Lowering taxes? way to go bush now we have no social security, but you did it to make the democrats look bad for wanting them back up (because the average american thinks taxes=bad) and to make the republicans look good. democrats wanna ban free speech, yet they're the ones that everyone is now sided with (net neutrality and censorship of all forms of media anyone). but nothings going to change. things'll just keep getting worse and worse. fuck it though, because i'm moving to a nice serene piece of land somewhere, maybe even here, where none of that shit'll even matter.

oh btw the LA riots didn't even have a just cause to start, Rodney king was like on pcp or some shit. he didn't obey police commands and got his ass kicked as a result. he then managed to sue a couple officers just trying to stop another crackhead, beat his wife, and then blew all the money on more pcp and some bum record label. thats no just cause for riots, thats just cause for rodney king to get the shit kicked out of him
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